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Х VST Х Tuesday • 24-Jan-2006 • 2:38 am Х # 410-2100
Why Name? What Name?
Before we give a name for this movement, we must study the reaction to any proposed name. And also important study the possibility of abuse or diversion that can be planned by distruptive forces.

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the Proletarist movement? Х Yes! -- This helps to make clear a decisive break with the treachery of "communist" leaders

Х Grad Х Sunday • 15-Jan-2006 • 1:41 pm Х # 410-2099
Yes
Now more than ever, the *honest* working class needs to take control of this world. The power brokers (Bush, Saudi family, and all of the current ruling govts) are taking steps to make the world a Corporatocracy.

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Х Max Х Thursday • 12-Jan-2006 • 7:51 pm Х # 410-2098
A very well thought out essay
Very, very interesting. However, Lenin did suggest the existence of an intellectual-worker coalition, and a vanguard party. Would this not be a contradiction to Marxism-Leninism?

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Х Edward Х Tuesday • 10-Jan-2006 • 2:17 pm Х # 410-2097

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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Х Tuesday • 10-Jan-2006 • 2:51 am Х # 410-2096

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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х schnitzelmacken Х Monday • 2-Jan-2006 • 7:16 am Х # 410-2095
geez
well communism is a good idea just not on a national scale. the curruption takes over and the lower classes get ---bleep--- on.
Х Question: how do you prevent curruption in a communist government when it is on a national scale?

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poll response:
ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Trotskyism

Х Michael Х Thursday • 22-Dec-2005 • 8:41 pm Х # 410-2094
For International Workers Socialist Revolution!
The reason for the Soviet Union going from a healthy workers' state ,in 1917, to a degenerate workers' state, in 1923/24, and finally the degeneration into Capitalism in 1991/92 was because the Revolution failed to spread internationally.

The program of Marx, Engels, Lenin and Trotsky was International Workers Revolution. The program of Stalin, Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Mao, Castro and Kim Il-sung was "Socialism in One Country".
Х Question: Why do you oppose Trotskyism

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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х Matt Х Sunday • 11-Dec-2005 • 3:33 pm Х # 410-2093
Go Communism
Communism is Freedom
Х Question: Why aren't we running for U.S. offices?

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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х Athil Х Friday • 9-Dec-2005 • 6:58 pm Х # 410-2092
don't trust the state
The state will always betray the workers, no matter how many times you rename yourselves and distance yourselves from great betrayals, there will always be more. Don't trust the state, even if it's owned by workers.

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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Jeff Х Sunday • 13-Nov-2005 • 7:42 pm Х # 410-2091
stick with the word "communism" but not the police state
i'm an ultra-left communist (taking insights from both the italian left and people like amadeo bordiga, and the german-dutch councilist left and people like herman gorter and anton pannekoek). Anyway, i think communism is the best word because it is the original word Marx used when describing the future society IN WHICH THERE WOULD NOT BE A PROLETARIAT AT ALL--THERE WOULD BE NO CLASSES--THE PROLETARIAT WOULD ABOLISH ITSELF (see the Holy Family and German Ideology for clearer descriptions of this) BY DESTROYING CAPITALIST PRODUCTION RELATIONS. Therefore, I think the term "proletarism" is not suitable for proletarians who wish to abolish their own conditions of existence so that there can be neither proletarian or bourgeoisie (or state, for that matter), but only the social individual--the communist man. I agree with some of your critique of the stalinist debacle known as the USSR, but i have some critiques of lenin himself. anyway, that's all.

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Х anouche Х Friday • 11-Nov-2005 • 5:20 am Х # 410-2090
Chain of capitalism broken from its weakest section
Since it was the only and easy choice for Lenin,hoping the embrio of socialism would survive.The positive effect of socialism in former USSR was many,among those peaceful coexistance of many nations and nationalitis within USSR.Theoretical achievment was Socialism would be effective even in third world countries,in other word not necessarily mankind must pass through agonies of slavory.feodalism and capitalism.However the real cause is advancement of production technology hence private ownerships of,which generates social classes; due to lack of mankinds cognition which is the cause of centries of war for mankind until present time.

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Х Х Thursday • 10-Nov-2005 • 3:06 pm Х # 410-2089

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Х kurt Х Thursday • 10-Nov-2005 • 3:02 pm Х # 410-2088
Yes.
I am inclined to agree with a break in the traditional term 'communism'. The word communism quite frankily is too often equated with the stinking corpse of leninism. I feel it is necessacary to create a new name, and put the overthrow of the capitalist class back on the agenda.

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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х Petros Х Wednesday • 2-Nov-2005 • 1:37 pm Х # 410-2087
I Believe
I believe hat the main goal of all the true marxists of our time is to first educate them selves and then inform the rest of the true nature and applicability of the Marxist/Anarchist ideas-Ideals and goals in any way and as much as they can.The most effective weapon of the capital is missinformation and cooperation with the "Leftist"trators communist bureocrats and social democrats so that the masses are bein soaked deeper into the capitalist Abuse.

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Х Х Thursday • 27-Oct-2005 • 1:29 pm Х # 410-2086

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Х Jerry Х Friday • 7-Oct-2005 • 8:38 pm Х # 410-2085
Proletarism
Well, I think that it would be a new way to call it, since "communism" is an old term, and it has been degenerated, as well as social-democracy, the term communism should be used as a way to recognize those who have degenerated it.
Х Question: What do you think of the proposal to name the revolutionary workers' mocement the Proletarist Movement?

comment Х Mihai Х Sunday • 2-Oct-2005 • 4:01 pm Х # 410-2084
"The Fundamental' Principles Doctrine" must stay behind the changes of our times.
This doctrine is already acting in the today world but, who care? It is based on three universal physic-laws as per follows: 1. The neutral universal physic law "Action=Reaction=1" (but not only his newtonian dimenssion but also the quantum one/thought domaine); 2. The universal physic law of the absolute unity of the Universe; 3. The universal physic law of the self creation of the own reality; This three omipotent universal law must be the supreme theoretical advantage of a new mouvement of the progressist political forces all over the world.
Х Question: I have no questions, it is to late for that. I have only convinctions.

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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We can gradually reform away the abuses of capitalism

Х asd Х Tuesday • 20-Sep-2005 • 9:05 am Х # 410-2083
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Х Х Tuesday • 13-Sep-2005 • 8:45 am Х # 410-2082

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poll response:
ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Х Sunday • 11-Sep-2005 • 9:38 pm Х # 410-2081

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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Trotskyism

Х fp11 Х Wednesday • 24-Aug-2005 • 10:46 pm Х # 410-2080
long live comrade trotsky
long live proletarian revolution

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Х Х Friday • 19-Aug-2005 • 10:03 pm Х # 410-2079

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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Anarchism

Х Imre Х Sunday • 14-Aug-2005 • 6:01 pm Х # 410-2078

Communism failed under the tyranny of government. Anarchy is the only true means of restoring power to the people.

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Х Roberto Х Sunday • 7-Aug-2005 • 3:15 pm Х # 410-2077

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Х Х Sunday • 31-Jul-2005 • 6:12 pm Х # 410-2076

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Х Alejandro Х Monday • 11-Jul-2005 • 2:19 pm Х # 410-2075
What kinda ---bleep--- question is that?
That was the most worthless idealist smudge I have ever read in all my life. You call anything "revisionism" and relates it to a seperate sphere of ideas. Have you ever considered the trotskyites to have right in the analysis on stalinism? But does that make it necessary to call yourself "trotskyite" today? Even the so called "marxist-leninists" say that Mao became revisionist in the end, but you doesn't even seem to admit that. What if I say that he was just a stalinist infiltrator of the mass-movement that had learnt to never trust the "progressive" "national" bourgeoisie?
Х Question: What kinda ---bleep--- question is that?

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Х girl Х Sunday • 10-Jul-2005 • 5:45 pm Х # 410-2074
hmmm
changing the names of things every time something goes wrong is silly. They didn't change the name of physics just because it's model of the atom turned out to be nonfunctional and if they had it would confuse history. If you beleive people made mistakes, that doesn't mean you should try to distance yourself from ideas that you grew from by changing the name of it. Especially if basically you are trying to fulfil the same basic goals. Arguments over methodology are not enough to make a distinct and seperate movement.

• reply • Monday • 11-Jul-2005 • 6:35 pm
by ben • All of girl's arguments could have been used against Lenin's proposal, following the great betrayal of 1914, to give up the name "social-democracy" in favor of using the word "communism".

But this is apparently not something that girl wants to think about.

It is an apology for revisionism to say it "made mistakes". That is like saying that the french and german social-democrats "made mistakes" when, in 1914, they urged the workers of their respective countries to shoot down their class brothers in what became known as the first world war.

This was not a mistake. It was treachery and betrayal.

Ditto for "trying to fulfil the same basic goals". The Soviet and China revisionists committed the most monstrous crimes in the name of "communism". Is it necessary that we distance ourself from this betrayal?

Lenin thought so in 1914. We should take a similar attitude today.

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the revolutionary workers' movement
the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Trotskyism

Х Michael Х Thursday • 7-Jul-2005 • 1:59 pm Х # 410-2073
Trotskyism is the Only Genuine Marxism
Trotsky was the only one to follow Marx, Engels and Lenin in advocating International Revolution whereas people like Stalin, Mao, Khrushchev, Kim Il-sung and and Enver Hoxha advocated "Socialism in One Country". Trotsky like Marx, Engels and Lenin was opposed to harshly suppressing dissedence which people like Stalin were for.
Х Question: Does Fidel Castro believe in "Socialism in One Country" or "Permanent Revolution".

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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing "Communism"

Х Х Wednesday • 29-Jun-2005 • 9:19 am Х # 410-2072

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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Trotskyism

Х kemuel Х Saturday • 25-Jun-2005 • 4:55 pm Х # 410-2071

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Х Michael Х Monday • 20-Jun-2005 • 10:28 pm Х # 410-2070
Why I Support Trotskyism
Trotskyism has yet to be put in practice. Trotsky remained truer to Marx, Engels and Lenin than Stalin, Mao, Kim Il-sung, Khrushchev, Enver Hoxha etc.

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ХХХ What do you think of the proposal to name
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the Proletarist movement? Х No! -- We should stick to existing Maoism

Х Х Saturday • 18-Jun-2005 • 8:38 pm Х # 410-2069

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Х Jones Х Friday • 3-Jun-2005 • 4:23 pm Х # 410-2068
Sounds like a marketing move
I do think the conotations of Communism have been made negative by 100 years of propaganda. And, while I often tend, while reading him, to side with Trotsky, his name carries the same stereotypical conotations. Some one said call it the 'Workers Movement'; that sounds good, neutral and stealthy.

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Х ddxt301 Х Monday • 30-May-2005 • 2:21 pm Х # 410-2067

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Х Ace Х Monday • 30-May-2005 • 1:09 am Х # 410-2066
This is great
I think its wonderful what your doing, rarely does this kind of intellectual thinking become present on the net, I like that you use the ideas of marxism, trotskyism, leninism, etc to learn from, but you use those lessons only for a platform, you want to take those ideas and create new ones to apply to modern capitalism. I really hope this site gets more attention.
Х Question: I was wondering if you would like me to build a fourm to create a community of revolutionary thinkers

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Х Ammarx Х Friday • 27-May-2005 • 5:13 am Х # 410-2065

comment Х enomounos Х Thursday • 26-May-2005 • 1:32 am Х # 410-2064
yes
but there should be more ibfo on communism because there is hardly no info on this subject which is really fudtrating

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Х Guilherme Х Saturday • 14-May-2005 • 7:22 am Х # 410-2063

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Х Х Monday • 9-May-2005 • 7:15 am Х # 410-2062

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Х Х Saturday • 7-May-2005 • 12:09 pm Х # 410-2061

comment Х Jeremy Х Thursday • 5-May-2005 • 11:04 pm Х # 410-2060
Does anyone even know what Capitalism is?
I see a lot of people here talkinga about how communism is misunderstood by the masses, but then you all misunderstand what capitalism is. Capitalism is the complete severing of the State from the Economy with the economy being nothing more than people freely and voluntarily trading gooods and services with each other. It is not imperialism (which requires government intervention in the economy) or restrictions on international trade with countries like Cuba (yes, trade embargoes against even countries like Cuba are still against Capitalism). Capitalism is where everyone has individual rights: Life, Liberty, and Property, with the government merely acting as umpire or referee to prevent the violent taking of or coercion of one's life, libery, and property (labor itself being the most basic component of one's property, which is why the Institution of Slavery in the U.S. was anti-Capitalist). The United States itself isn't a Capitalist Society, nor are most Countries of the World. Most Countries of the World are Mixed Economies, applying some free measures with some government intervention. The only societies that can probably be considered Capitalist are Hong Kong and Switzerland (and even they have tiny controls). Before you talk about how communism has been misunderstood, educate yourself about capitalism instead.

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Х Gary Х Wednesday • 4-May-2005 • 8:31 pm Х # 410-2059
Proletarist is too long
Americans today can't pronounce long words, and Proletarist sounds like a word reminicent of Stalinism. "Workers movement" seems a little mundane, but better.

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Х Х Wednesday • 4-May-2005 • 7:38 pm Х # 410-2058

Marxism is unsalvagable. Anarchists predicted it would be a disaster resulting in tyranny before all the 'socio-historical conditions' that made Stalism possible took place.

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Х Х Sunday • 1-May-2005 • 10:17 pm Х # 410-2057

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Х Commie Х Tuesday • 26-Apr-2005 • 12:22 pm Х # 410-2056
The word is ours.
Communists should never, ever allow themselves to be chased from the word "communism" by communism's enemies. However, as a description of goals, this is excellent.

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Х lenos nikolis Х Monday • 11-Apr-2005 • 12:42 am Х # 410-2055
the manifest is communistic not proletarian
the marx-engels' manifest was and is communist not proletarian. The clear aim is a communistic society not a turbid proletarian society. So proletarian means communism an communism means proletarian.

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Х Х Sunday • 3-Apr-2005 • 6:29 pm Х # 410-2054

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Х Х Thursday • 31-Mar-2005 • 10:59 am Х # 410-2053

Actually I think capitalism is good because it promotes the best in all of us by rewarding hard work with pay. This is the only way to support a healthy economy and squash the slugs of our time.

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Х Х Wednesday • 23-Mar-2005 • 8:23 am Х # 410-2052

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Х dpg Х Monday • 21-Mar-2005 • 3:26 am Х # 410-2051
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Х Question: will communism ever exist in its true marxist form?

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